Tuesday, April 25, 2006

 

Ufology as Modern Folklore

I am attempting to write an article for the next issue of Magonia Supplement on the general theme that the whole UFOs and ufology business is nothing more than a modern myth, which is best studied by folklorists, psychologists and sociologists, rather than astronomers, physicists (nuclear or otherwise!), and self-styled "Serious Ufologists", most of whom are self-deluded buffoons.

The general idea is to dispel the lies, delusions and paranoid fantasies, by such methods as pointing out that reports of apparent "true UFOs" never stand up to critical examination. Your comments on this theme are welcome (but remember that comments are moderated).

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>I am attempting to write an article for the next issue of Magonia Supplement on the general theme that the whole UFOs and ufology business is nothing more than a modern myth,

great

>which is best studied by folklorists, psychologists and sociologists, rather than astronomers, physicists (nuclear or otherwise!), and self-styled "Serious Ufologists", most of whom are self-deluded buffoons.

great, I agree, but, knowing that some of the former have tried for several years, but are simply considered 'debunkers', I'm not sure that their opinions will change anything except what they have already changed.

>The general idea is to dispel the lies, delusions and paranoid fantasies, by such methods as pointing out that reports of apparent "true UFOs" never stand up to critical examination. Your comments on this theme are welcome (but remember that comments are moderated).

I think that those lies and delusions and paranoid fantasies have already been and are still being dispelled, and hope that they will continue to be so, as they arrive, and also for the 'old' cases.. and that the general effect has been good, and for whatever other reasons, ufology is definately a dying (agonizing), and horribly stagnating subject.

I would have liked to have helped but the whole thing annoys me so much, that I wasted my time searching into that subject that my energy and motivation is absolutely nil.

I think that it's a good idea, and whoever finds the time and the energy, do do so, and give an added few paragraphs to all religions and cults for that is all that ufology is.. and copies and/or substitutes.. for that is the biggest danger today... religion and it's fanatics, whoever they are.. east or west.. unfortunately, at the moment from the east.. but nonetheless a great deal too many from the united states of america with their stupid 99% of religious believers...

ufos, extraterrestrials, new age celestial beings, all that, is... in fact totally OUT.

Bring in the zazy kamikazes, killing for virgins in heaven, new age crusaders, with beards, veils, bombs and Kalashnikovs, for whom ufos and ETs never existed anyway, because they've decided that Ali Baba and flying carpets are better than space machines, and obscurantism is better than modern democracies.. yet shamelessly using the products of those modern techonologies...

ufology, is nothing, not even a single Nobel Prize, yet for those who (still) believe, it should have been worth dozens..

For the most Paranoid among the herd, obviously there's not a lot to be done, for all is conspiracy, debunking and disinformation.. from lousy gouvernments in league with the reptilien enemy..

Aye, there'll always be crazies amongst us. Me thinkst that within this once humble cause, only crazies remain, 'cos even if I was once a crazy amongst them, I'm now a liberated soul who can see the light, not of a sky-born fuzzy ufo-machine, but of the brilliance of reason.

sorry if I can't be of more help

alicie
 
Well, the late John Mack was a psychologist and David Jacobs is a historian, yet neither of them exactly dispelled the "paranoid fantasies" of Ufology!
 
No, David Jacobs, along with Budd Hopkins actually encouraged paranoid fantasies, by developing tham into a "standard" form and writing popular books about them.
 
Well, as Alicie said, she's "over" the whole UFO/ET thing. And good for her. If you don't believe there's anything to the UFO phenomenon, why on earth waste your time complaining about it?

Doesn't your position undermine any hope that you will be taken objectively?

And if you only intend for anti-UFO folk to read your essay, what possible good could it do? I mean, they're already convinced, right?

Maybe you just want to see your ideas on paper, but why should I or anyone else who's read your stuff?

Best Regards,

Kyle King
UFOReflections.blogspot.com
 
Were you too lazy to do real research into the issue? Apollo Astronauts Edgar Mitchell, and Gordon Cooper have gone on film saying the the UFO issue is extraterrestrial in nature. The list of testimony alone also includes pilots (civilian and military), officers, former presidents, defence ministers...the list goes on. Sorry, but their word is much more credible than most debunkers. Oh and to play by your rules, I didn't actually read your article, I just made assumptions and wrote a response, so forgive me if this is way off.
 
Edgar Mitchell is a passionate supporter of the ETH, but not - as commonly assumed - a UFO witness himself. He recently told a conference:

"I have had no first hand experience like so many of you. I have not encountered a UFO, and we did not have them trailing us, as far as we know, going to the moon".

Gordon Cooper did indeed spot some UFOs whilst flying a over Germany in the early 1950's. He described as them as "flights of fighters flying by in the same sort of formation we flew, moving east to west," adding that they looked "just like saucers - they were metallic looking, but we couldn't really get close enough to see more than that. You couldn't see any wings on them."

At the time, Cooper rather sensibly assumed that he was seeing a flight of experimental Russian jets - only much later deciding that they must have been "some kind of extraterrestrial vehicle".

Cooper has continually repudiated the rumour that he saw aliens in space during a Mercury mission, saying: "Somebody made a lot of money selling lies on that one... It was totally untrue, sorry to say".

So, we have one astronaut who has never seen a UFO, and another who saw something in the distance he thought was a jet plane then changed his mind about once he had become an ETH believer.

Hardly compelling evidence.
 
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